tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post6202114742413884407..comments2024-01-04T19:35:00.635-08:00Comments on ThanBook: Home for Serious Jewsthanbohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06197564008203120013noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-65422924627489044292009-09-10T11:30:48.633-07:002009-09-10T11:30:48.633-07:00Lots of listings doesn't help pushing the top ...Lots of listings doesn't help pushing the top one down. They just make the list longer. The trick is to have a single page that more people select from a Google (or subsidiary) page, or has more links to it from other pages.<br /><br />-michamicha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-76193004345350992102009-09-10T08:18:34.467-07:002009-09-10T08:18:34.467-07:00Fortunately, I preach an "Authentic Judaism,&...Fortunately, I preach an "Authentic Judaism," unlike some who like to claim they are the standard-bearers of "Authentic Judaism." (Don't know if this will help Gil's hit-count). <br /><br />"Will the real Authentic Judaism please stand up? please stand up? please stand up?"<br /><br /> -Marshall "McGregor" Mathers<br /> 'The Mitzvos Maasiyos Grimoire Album'<br /><br />(yes, I'm feeling a bit silly)<br /><br />BTW, did everyone go read Harry's post taking off from my point?<br /><br />http://haemtza.blogspot.com/2009/09/non-orthodox-serious-jews.htmlthanbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06197564008203120013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-59713058087303718932009-09-02T13:37:24.499-07:002009-09-02T13:37:24.499-07:00Great post. It's ironic that within the curre...Great post. It's ironic that within the current Conservative movement there has been such a shift towards "tradition" that many have, as you observe, found a home in our camps.Neil Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12797772082427806345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-90094689213318593752009-08-24T11:19:01.507-07:002009-08-24T11:19:01.507-07:00It is very pointed what you say that they are seri...It is very pointed what you say that they are serious jewish products of the movements they came from - because many, despite their Modern Orthodox settings, accept positions on academic scholarship that undermine the institutions of Modern Orthodoxy - as Orthodox. Also there are still formerly-Orthodox kids going through JTS, AJU, Schechter in Israel, PARDES and Hebrew University...Pierre Sogolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10147586371567143922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-54551028160234056132009-08-24T11:12:11.767-07:002009-08-24T11:12:11.767-07:00From a professor of Bible at University of Judaism...From a professor of Bible at University of Judaism (now AJU);<br /><br />http://www.uscj.org/From_Conservative_to7883.html<br /><br />Many of these committed jews he describes seek a *community* that their movements are not and can no longer be; the Conservative movement USED to claim pluralism, the independence of congregations to determine their direcition, etc, but the pluralists once in power are at war with any sign of diversity within the movement. These kids seek what Ramah hinted at - lived, breathing, vital observance open to whomever wants it - and more often they ARE finding it among others *like themselves* - not only among identifying-Modern Orthodox; the "Egal minyanim", the partnership minyanim, those attending VERY mixed Orthodox-but Hillel-hosted minyanim...<br />environments where NON-observance is tolerated, but observance - *more than ideology* - is encouraged. The last thing I think many of them are concerned about is that the label on their new-found-'church home' is "Orthodox", any more than what they need is 'heksherim' from a national Orthodox political body or denomination. Of course, USCJ it seems is trying to either bolster their bank accounts or their demographics, by giving start-up funds to such groups - IF they identify as Conservative...and thus ultimately pay national dues, submit to the dictates of NON-pluralist pluralism. etc, etc...Pierre Sogolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10147586371567143922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-31716498019203254902009-08-12T05:56:33.852-07:002009-08-12T05:56:33.852-07:00Oh, oh, how about this one: ever notice that when ...Oh, oh, how about this one: ever notice that when a Chabadnik davens in a normal shul he insists on using nusach Ari when leading services, but if I wanted to use my nusach in a Chabad shul, I'd have to use Ari instead?<br />Or have you ever tried to do a regular hagbah in a Chabad shul or get one of them to do a regular hagbah in a normal shul?<br />And why is it my local meshullach quite conspicuously never actually davens with the congregation but rather goes into a different room later on (and way past any proper zman for shma and amidah) to daven?<br />Or the rule in the local larger Jewish community that all conversions have to use the Chabad mikveh, otherwise they won't recognize it?Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-41352829112011270412009-08-11T23:40:43.838-07:002009-08-11T23:40:43.838-07:00Sure. A guy in a knitted kippah shows up at a Cha...Sure. A guy in a knitted kippah shows up at a Chabad shadchan's door and asks for a dating service. When asked, he says he does not believe the Rebbe was Moshaich, the Nasi HaDor or a navi and the Frediker Rebbe was not Atzmus of God. He's skimmed through the Tanya but prefers Gemara.<br />Hmmmm, think she'll take him on?Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-25690547248192829032009-08-11T19:47:54.349-07:002009-08-11T19:47:54.349-07:00As for Chabad, they are only superficially accepti...<i>As for Chabad, they are only superficially accepting. Yes they'll count you to a minyan and give you the occasional aliyah but if you see a potential dating partner on the other side of the mechitzah, you'll find out about how tolerant they really are.</i><br /><br />Would you care to elaborate?Joe in Australianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-5788825725095788482009-08-11T13:20:07.480-07:002009-08-11T13:20:07.480-07:00So here's the problem - RHS defines himself as...So here's the problem - RHS defines himself as MO. The YCT crowd ALSO class themselves MO.<br /><br />Who's the real MO, and why?<br /><br />As for Chabad, they are only superficially accepting. Yes they'll count you to a minyan and give you the occasional aliyah but if you see a potential dating partner on the other side of the mechitzah, you'll find out about how tolerant they really are.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-25479888874153171342009-08-11T12:06:33.982-07:002009-08-11T12:06:33.982-07:00Probably not the RHS version, unless they've h...Probably not the RHS version, unless they've had an Aish Hatorah-style BT experience. Probably closer to left or center. Note my examples: Ramaz/LSS. A number of JTS faculty sent their kids to Ramaz; there was no SSDS in NYC at the time. My cousin goes to Orach Chaim on the East Side, which is also pretty center-left, and he tells me that a number of JTS faculty also daven there.<br /><br />Or Chabad, which is sui generis, but accepting of a lot of people.thanbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06197564008203120013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-87000633770770909942009-08-11T11:03:43.044-07:002009-08-11T11:03:43.044-07:00The problem is: how do you define Modern Orthodoxy...The problem is: how do you define Modern Orthodoxy?<br />Is it Rav Hershel Schachter's Chareidi-lite version? Or is it Rav Avi Weiss's "we're this close to being Conservative" ?<br /><br />Or somewhere in between?Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-1540983948430000522009-08-10T11:10:19.081-07:002009-08-10T11:10:19.081-07:00Sorry. Serious Jews, coming from Prager, feels to...Sorry. Serious Jews, coming from Prager, feels to me more like "Serious Jews in the heterodox movements." It's taken for granted that Orthodox Jews are serious (ignoring the MO-Lite and Charedi-Lite phenomena).thanbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06197564008203120013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9267923.post-16153903159335809612009-08-10T10:43:13.920-07:002009-08-10T10:43:13.920-07:00"[T]he only place for Serious Jews is Modern ..."[T]he only place for Serious Jews is Modern Orthodoxy..." should perhaps read "... for Serious Jews with an interest in being modern ..."<br /><br />-michamicha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.com